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Vice Presidential Debate 2008

VP DEBATE: We call the debate for Joe Biden. Sarah Palin did well by not doing disastrously. She didn't answer questions, stuck to her talking points, and was painfully folksy at times. Biden commanded the stage. Palin had no awful Couric moments. The GOP will be pleased, but Biden won easily.

 

 

What must Palin do?

She must stick like glue to the index cards the McCain camp has provided her with. 

According to reports from McCain staffers, Palin has been disastrous in debate rehearsals. She can't stay on topic, her sentences ramble and meander, and she tries to bluff her way through difficult questions.

Palin needs to repeat the simple talking points her speech writers have given her. She'll be going into the debate with a bag of sarcastic zingers to deploy as opportunities arise. Palin must be careful not to be too insulting. She has a tendency to get snooty and personal in her attacks.   

What must Biden do?

Biden must stay on point. He tends to ramble when given the opportunity. He will need to focus on pithy answers. He needs to remember he's addressing the nation, not his buddies and opponents in the Senate.

If the committee-Biden enters the ring, Palin will dodge and duck and jab him with one-liners about his fog of words. Biden's verbosity can suffocate anyone not interested in the minutiae of political decision-making. A skilled debater like Biden should be able to set traps for Palin so that she ensnares herself. Biden's best hope is for Palin to lose herself in long rambling sentences with no point, structure, or end. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Joe Biden, the six term senator, takes on newbie Sarah Palin. Will the urban sophisticate from Delaware force the Alaska Governor to return to the political wilderness of Wasilla?

The Vice Presidential Debate 2008 pits one of Washington's most experienced senators against newcomer and Alaska governor Sarah Palin. Most voters are expecting an easy victory for Biden, but there might be surprises along the way, especially if Biden does not watch his guard.

Biden has to be very careful. If he outshines Palin, some might see him as an arrogant and patronizing Washington insider, priding himself on his grasp of details while humiliating a young, female opponent. That's how sexism works in politics. We haven't reached the stage where the guys can play tough (unless they are facing Hillary Clinton). 

Palin might score points with undecided voters by her refusal to play by Washington rules. So far, Palin's press interviews have been pitiful, ham-fisted affairs. She's unable to grasp facts and figures; she's uncomfortable with penetrating questions, and she' unable to construct coherent sentences. 

Without even trying, Katie Couric threw Palin off balance, making her appear childishly ignorant. This was not the Palin who debated well during her campaign to be governor of Alaska. She prefers scripted speeches. Palin is not good when speaking off the cuff, but she can deliver killing zingers and sarcastic remarks. Some of her anti-Washington jabs will hit home.

Palin does not fight fair. She'll kick Biden when he's down, then cry foul if he complains. She won't pull any punches, nor will she think twice about hurling personal insults at Obama and Biden. She is well aware that Biden must pull his punches. If he doesn't, he'll be accused of being ungracious toward a woman. 

Biden has a tendency to ramble and run his mouth. He can be very funny, but he can also shoot himself in the foot when he's too relaxed, forgetting names and dates. Biden, like Palin, has a blue collar touch that will appeal to many voters. He's by no means an academic genius -- he called himself a lazy student -- but he is one of the most respected senators, chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee, and former chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee. He will draw on his six terms of senate service in an attempt to dazzle viewers with the depth of his knowledge and expertise.

 

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What Palin is saying

On the bailout: "I, like every American I'm speaking with, we're ill about this position that we have been put in where it is the taxpayers looking to bail out. But ultimately, what the bailout does is help those who are concerned about the health-care reform that is needed to help shore up our economy, helping the—it's got to be all about job creation, too, shoring up our economy and putting it back on the right track. So health-care reform and reducing taxes and reining in spending has got to accompany tax reductions and tax relief for Americans. And trade, we've got to see trade as opportunity, not as a competitive, scary thing. But one in five jobs being created in the trade sector today, we've got to look at that as more opportunity. All those things under the umbrella of job creation. This bailout is a part of that."

On Russia: ""As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border. It is from Alaska that we send out those to make sure that an eye is being kept on this very powerful nation, Russia, because they are right there, they are right next to our state."

On Obama-Biden's lead in the polls: "“I’m not looking at poll numbers. What I think Americans at the end of the day are going to be able to go back and look at track records and see who’s more apt to be talking about solutions and wishing for and hoping for solutions for some opportunity to change, and who’s actually done it?”

On the need for government reorganization: "This, the vital job, you know, to reform Washington, improve it, cut out the waste because there is so much waste and people are crying out for change wondering where their dollars are going and I wonder too -- but you see we can't rest until the job of creating jobs is done, and that job is a part, cleaning up Washington, taking on the networks of good ol' boys, being ready for that fight because insiders, people who have been there since I was in second grade and I am 44, who don't want change and they want to keep on like it is, which is not good for America obviously because we wonder where our money is going -- and health care reform which plays into that though it should be private and government has extended into that part of our lives so there is government everywhere where it shouldn't be so I will be looking at that, with advanced research another matter too to be encouraged with the education system as a whole, the schools and so on and military spending, the need for a strong defense-- it's reform on those levels, bottom up and the top down, and the middle."

On energy: "Oil and coal, of course, it's a fungible commodity and they don't flag, you know, the molecules, where it's going and where it's not. But in the sense of the Congress today, they know that there are very, very hungry domestic markets that need that oil first. So, I believe that what Congress is going to do, also, is not to allow the export bans to such a degree that it's Americans that get stuck to holding the bag without the energy source that is produced here, pumped here. It's got to flow into our domestic markets first."

On why she has not traveled more: "I'm not one of those who maybe come from a background of, you know, kids who perhaps graduated college and their parents get them a passport and a backpack and say, 'Go off and travel the world.' The way that I have understood the world is ... through  mediums that have provided me a lot of perspective on the world."

Palin assesses Biden: "He's got a tremendous amount of experience and, you know, I'm the new energy, the new face, the new ideas and he's got the experience based on many many years in the Senate and voters are gonna have a choice there of what it is that they want in these next four years ... Joe Biden's pretty doggone confident – like he’s sure he’s going to win.”

Getting nasty: "I do look forward to debating Senator Joe Biden. I'm looking forward to meet him too. I've never met him before. But, I've been hearing about his senate speeches since I was in like 2nd grade."

What Biden is saying

On energy: "If I could wave a wand, and the Lord said I could solve one problem, I would solve the energy crisis. That's the single most consequential problem we can solve."

On fuel efficiency: "I think we should be able to get to 40 miles per gallon by 2017. I think we should have every single vehicle in America have to get one mile per year additional fuel economy, based on the class and size of the automobile."

On political achievements Biden is proud of: "It took me 10 years to protect all of the beach on the Delaware coast from Cape Henlopen down to Rehoboth Beach, and put it in trust for the people of the country so that no development can take place on any of that area. I'm also proud that I convinced the state of Delaware to take the entire White Clay Creek watershed and turn it into a scenic river, stop the development in that whole region, and purify that watershed."

On debating Palin: "It's kind of hard to prepare, because I don't know what she thinks. There's been no - I just don't know a lot about her, so therefore I'm assuming; I have to assume for purposes of the debate, that she agrees with John on everything ... Every election people are making up their minds later and later because there's more and more at stake. Everyone should just be a little patient here. Eventually Sarah Palin is gonna have to let everyone know what she thinks, what her record is."

On Pakistan and Iran: ""I'm a hell of a lot more worried about Pakistan, which already has nuclear weapons, as opposed to Iran, which is still working on nuclear enrichment, a possible step on the way to developing them. I wish we'd pay as much attention to Pakistan as the saber rattling we're doing with Iran."

On faith and those who disagree with him: "“They believe in their faith and they believe in human life, and they have differing views as to when life begins. I’m prepared as a matter of faith to accept that life begins at the moment of conception.”

On energy and the environment: "I would be most capable of getting this country back into an international climate regime, getting us back to the table the fastest and with the most prospect for success, because of my extensive engagement in foreign policy. I'm also in the best position to make it clear to the United States Congress that this is not merely an environmental issue, it is a security issue. I held hearings this year pointing out that if we do not do something of consequence about global warming, drastically and soon, we literally are going to find ourselves reconfiguring our entire military to deal with occasions for new wars, which are going to be about territory and arable land."

On the Wall Street crisis: "It's this government's policies that have caused [the middle class] to get in great trouble."

On John McCain: "John McCain is my friend. We've known each other for three decades. We've traveled the world together. It's a friendship that goes beyond politics. And the personal courage and heroism John demonstrated still amaze me. But I profoundly disagree with the direction that John wants to take the country."

Biden assesses Palin: "Governor Palin gave one heck of a political speech [at the GOP Convention] but her silence on the issues was deafening ... She didn’t mention the words ‘health care’. She didn’t mention the word ‘education.’ She didn’t mention college education … Not one time did I hear the phrase ‘middle class ... She's going to take a lot of straight lefts and jabs at me, she's going to try to get me to respond, she's going to try to get me to respond in a personal way ... I will be unrelenting in my debate with Gov. Palin in terms of the positions she has taken."

A Republican Take On The Debate

"Expectations are so low that all Sarah Palin has to do is turn up and she will win the debate.  It's the snow machine against the wnd machine. When Biden responds to simple questions with long-winded answers, he'll lose millions of votes. People will warm to Palin's brash and confident refusal to be a Washington insider. She does not need to know the details now in order to do a good job. She'll learn all that stuff. It's called On The Job Training. She's a mother, a Christian, and a conservative, that's what matters to people. Who cares if she doesn't know the biggest city in Moldova."

A Christian Point of View

A problem with evangelical Christians is they believe there is only one way to read the Bible, only one path to a faith-filled life. 

Evangelicals are often afraid, terrified of change in society, worried at the influx of immigrants who do not look, speak, and behave as the evangelicals would like them to. Many evangelicals are also anti-intellectual. They're suspicious of science, they don't like books, they take no interest in non-evangelical ways of looking at the world. To them, secular, or academic, philosophy is garbage. The only truth you need is the one you get from God, one to one, the personal savior.

Palin's convictions seem to be strong and unwavering, but they are based on fear. It's a fear of other people, of ideas, and also a lingering anxiety that if they don't continue to hold fast to their rigid beliefs, the world will unravel. She will appeal to evangelical voters if she stokes the fire of their fears and offers simple simple to difficult problems.

 

JUST IN: McCain Demands Change of Tactics From Palin

It's return of the attack dog as Palin tries to recover from her slow death by interview on the CBS Evening News. Many pundits, Republicans included, believed Katie Couric had put an end to Sarah Palin's career as a top-drawer politician.

In a throw it all at the wall final effort, the McCain camp wants Palin to attack Joe Biden, hammering him for his liberal voting record, his gaffes, and long experience.

“This is going to finally put her back into a position where we see her like we saw her the first couple weeks,” a McCain official said. “She was herself. She was authentic, and people related to that. ... Tonight, she’ll get into a rhythm. You’re going to see her in a way that you haven’t seen her yet.”

Palin's popularity is dipping to its deepest low at a time when John McCain is pulling out of Michigan, stopping his tv ads in the state, and ending mail drops.

 A Democrat's Perspective

"Sarah Palin cannot win the debate because she does not know the issues. She has no experience. She'll score points with zingers and insults, which will convince those supporters with ADD/H, the ones with no attention span. Joe Biden must tread carefully, be bracious, polite, not too aggressive. As the debate progresses, I expect Palin to make a fool of herself as she tries to BS her way through tough questions. Biden will be charming and convincing. Voters like and respect Joe Biden."

From The Pundit's Chair

This is an easy match, right? Six-term senator against a governor who's never read a book or had to think too deeply about anything. 

On paper, that's the case, but politics in unpredictable. All Palin needs to do is learn her talking points and stick to them. If she's asked a question she doesn't understand or doesn't know, go to the nearest talking point, or repeat a previous point. Keep all answers short and crisp. Smile a lot. Be confident and yet self-effacing. Make Biden's knowledge and experience seem part of the problem. Tell the viewers that Washington after six terms of Biden is still the same lazy old place, the economy is a disaster, insiders can't get things done .... "That's why you need John McCain and me, two mavericks."

This will work on all those voters who cannot stand listening to facts, figures and detail. They want humor and charm, they want zingers. Palin might win.

Biden Debate Strategy: Steady As She Goes

For Joe Biden, Sarah Palin is not the main target of the vice presidential debate. He'll focus most of his attention on John McCain and the failed policies of the Bush regime.

In Biden's eyes, Palin is a celebrity lightweight who must be treated with respect but she has neither the experience nor ability to debate effectively. And she certainly not ready to be vice president.

Unfortunately for Biden, he cannot press Palin too hard. She is no Hillary Clinton or Margaret Thatcher, who expected to be handled as equals and were tougher and knew more than most of their male colleagues and opponents.

Palin will pull the "Lady Card" if Biden goes on on the attack, claiming that Biden is being patronizing and sexist.

 

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John writes: "Her experience in any field is relatively inmaterial. None of the candidates are experts at everything and therefore rely heavily on advisors. I am therefore not looking to see if she knows the capitol or leader of any country but rather does does she believe in the general conservative ideals that will lead her to make appropriate decisions."

 

Cocoa writes: "You people are morons."

 

Patricia writes: "Palin is out of her league, she doesn't know anything about foreign policies, and she just received a passport not long ago. A slight degree in journalism? Okay? I want a vice president who is intelligent. Palin, needs to stay at home and do what she is good at: making babies."

 

Keith writes: "Why does Palin make fun of Biden's age when he is younger then her running mate? Or is that another of the facts that she can't get straight or remember?"

 

Janie writes: "All Biden has to do is use her own words against her. Or ask her a question and let her answer. I am sure she will be the captain of her own sinking ship. She says she doesn't know the answers and can't connect the dots. Is that who we want to run our country?"

 

Jill writes: "I'm almost at a loss for words, sort of like Sarah when asked what magazines she reads! On the one hand, she adds some humor to the campaign (though unwittingly), but it's no laughing matter to seriously think of her possibly being President of the U.S. (or even of the P.T.A. for that matter). If this was the best McCain could come up w/for V.P., I'd hate to see his cabinet picks, maybe the Spice Girls?"

 

Jack writes: "Who writes the copy on this site? I wouldn't mind if it was intentionally funny. Though I will accept unintended humor, I suppose. "Choose any issue you like and Joe Biden has superior knowledge, intellect, and vocabulary." That's the Biden who has never made an exectutive decision as he rose without trace in the Senate. An undistinguished blowhard, running his ignorant mouth off at every opportunity; and who doesn't even know who was President in 1929. You clearly live in a parallel looniverse. Biden the liar, the plagiarist, and the fantasist. I don't think so. You are going to be eating crow Friday morning, that I guarantee you."

 

Jess writes: "What is to prevent responses being fed to Palin during the debate through an electronic ear piece?"

 

Arlene writes: "I think that Sarah Palin is an insult to American women. She is unprepared and does not represent me nor the majority of women I know. I think if Obama was white he would be winning this election hands down. I am sorry to those that are offended by this but Sarah Palin is not ready and I do not see her ever being ready in the near future to be Vice-President of United States. Charm wins beauty contests and does not qualify you to be a V.P or President, or does it? So sad. I fear for our county if McCain and Palin are elected."

 

Barrow writes: "Although I am not a Republican, I understand those who have started to get upset with Palin's brainless rants on national television. John McCain knew what he was doing when he prevented the media from interviewing her. He made a mistake and felt that the American public was dumb enough to allow him to hide Palin. Well McCain, she's out and she sure represents your character and philosophies quite well. Personally, from the moment I read about McCain's pick for VP, I knew that he did not take his run seriously. As a woman, I am offended that he could not choose from the highly intellectual and experienced pool of Republican women he has met as a result of 26 years as a Senator. Republicans STAND UP AND BE OFFENDED! LET PALIN SPEAK."

 

Tammi writes: "I am sick of the sexist attacks on Sarah Palin. She's a woman for goodness sake. How on earth can you expect her to know about the economy, foreign countries, the housing market, and everything else a man knows? She is McCain's trophy in heels and lipstick. That's her job. Why do you expect her to know more? When she's VP she won't do anything important. She'll just attend banquets, wave to crowds, open factories and schools. You have to be pretty for that job, not clever. I vote for Palin on looks alone."

 

Colin writes: "The reason we have long primary seasons and endless campaigns is to find the very best candidates -- to allow the cream to rise to the top. It is obvious to everyone except the most biased and blind supporter that Sarah Palin is not one of the finest politicians and brains in the country. In fact, she's probably one of the most stupid public figures in the nation ... and I am a Republican."

 

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WHAT THE MEDIA ARE SAYING ABOUT THE VP DEBATE

Boston Herald: "One hundred million Americans may tune in Thursday, half of them hoping she’ll blow it. Even conservatives now call her out of her league, and the dim-bulb brunette jokes continue apace ... During the [presidential] debate, John McCain kept saying Barack Obama didn’t understand the difference between a tactic and a strategy,” says local jokeman Ben Alper. “Sarah Palin later emphasized the point by saying a tactic is a tiny mint.”

Guardian, Michael Tomasky: "I understand that there are people who don't think it matters that a candidate knows anything about American history. If she's 'like me,' that's enough. Well, I'm sorry, but if she's 'like you' and you can name only one supreme court decision from all of history, then that's not enough to be the vice-president and help run the country, and I'm not an elitist for saying so."

Boston Herald: "Against Biden, Palin will face a man who was first elected to the Senate in 1972 and, through previous runs for president, has extensive debate experience. And although Palin has nearly a month to make herself better known, it’s likely many viewers will tune in for a first look at how she handles herself"

Guardian: "Expectations for her performance on Thursday are so low that she [Palin] may well stumble through. Ifill and Joe Biden will both have to be deft. We all have to go through this charade of pretending that the obvious isn't true. The threat is that the charade may overpower the truth. But even if it does, the truth will still be the truth, and the truth is that she does not belong anywhere near national leadership."

Washington Post: "While Palin has become an instant celebrity and has energized many conservatives, she has also struggled through a series of unscripted moments and has been relatively absent from the campaign trail for much of the past week. Since meeting with foreign leaders in New York last week, she has held a handful of low-profile events and taken few questions."

Washington Post: "Unlike his Republican counterpart, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, Biden has not been shy about talking to reporters, but comments he has made since Obama chose him last month have presented Democrats with their own problems and revived the longtime senator's reputation for gaffes."

Chicago Tribune: "One talks too much. The other hasn't talked enough.
For voters, Thursday's vice presidential debate promises a transfixing match between the loquacious veteran Sen Joe Biden and the still-underexposed Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin. For the campaigns, the encounter in St. Louis represents a potential white-knuckle moment: The free-wheeling Biden vs. the tightly managed Palin in a test of knowledge, fluency and grace before millions of TV viewers."

Chicago Tribune: "Palin and Biden will be questioned by Gwen Ifill. Under the format, each candidate will have 90 seconds to respond to a question, followed by a two-minute discussion. That is tighter than Friday's presidential encounter, when the candidates had up to five minutes to mix it up. The shorter discussion period should favor Palin."

New York Times: "At the insistence of the McCain campaign, the Oct. 2 debate between the Republican nominee for vice president, Gov. Sarah Palin, and her Democratic rival, Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr., will have shorter question-and-answer segments than those for the presidential nominees, the advisers said. There will also be much less opportunity for free-wheeling, direct exchanges between the running mates. McCain advisers said they had been concerned that a loose format could leave Ms. Palin, a relatively inexperienced debater, at a disadvantage and largely on the defensive.

New York Times: "McCain advisers said they were only somewhat concerned about Ms. Palin’s debating skills compared with those of Mr. Biden, who has served six terms in the Senate."

FOX News: "Pressure is building on Sarah Palin to demonstrate her leadership credentials when she faces off in the vice presidential debate against Washington veteran Joe Biden next week, as Democrats and even some Republicans lob criticism of her latest latest interview performance."

Washington Post: "Fed by her halting answers in interviews, Palin has become a television comedy staple. CBS' "Late Show with David Letterman" featured an Alaska resident saying Palin tried learning about foreign policy by going to the International House of Pancakes. NBC's "Saturday Night Live" has also taken aim: Last Saturday, Tina Fey portrayed Palin in a mock interview with Katie Couric and described her family's recent trip to New York, including 'that goofy evolution museum.'"

WHO IS GWEN IFILL?

The VP Debate moderator Gwen Ifill is the managing editor and moderator for Washington Week (PBS) and a correspondent for The NewsHour (PBS).  She is working on a book, "Breakthrough: Politics and Race in the Age of Obama," about upcoming African-American politicians, which conservative critics argue makes her a bad choice for moderator of the VP debate. The far right critics argue that an African-American journalist will be biased towards a black candidate, whereas a white journalist would be neutral.  The argument is not compelling. McCain says: ""I think that Gwen Ifill is a professional, and I think she will do a totally objective job because she is a highly-respected professional."

A PSYCHOLOGIST'S VIEW

We tend to think of our own decisions as rational and our opponents as irrational. Voters pay some attention to facts and figures, but it is by no means decisive. Body language and posture, humor, style, and manner are all vital. Palin can win by knowing little but being funny and charming.

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BRAINPOWER RANKINGS

We have ranked the four candidates according to the Brain Power Intellect (BPI) formula, which compares college transcripts, test scores, time taken to complete degrees, place of learning, class ranking and verbal skills. A score of 90-100 represents a brilliant mind; 80-90 is gifted; 70-80 is clearly above average; 60-70 is above average; 50-60 is average; under 50 is below average intelligence. The results:

1) Obama, 92

2) Joe Biden, 79

3) John McCain, 73

4) Sarah Palin, 52

The Obama-Biden ticket is clearly ahead on brainpower, as measured scientifically, but other factors persuade voters. These are emotional and have little to do with a candidate's experience or intellect.

Sign of the times

John McCain is pulling his entire team out of Michigan and moving them to the more competitive states of Wisconsin and Ohio.

McCain is dropping all his tv ads, canceling speaking engagements, ending mail drops and door to door visits.

Obama is so far ahead in Michigan, McCain is wasting money by being there.

New surveys show Obama is building leads in traditional battlegrounds like Florida, Pennsylvania and Ohio, and building an advantage in states like Virginia and Nevada where Democrats rarely do well. 

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